
Once upon a time there was a six-year-old Louisiana Cajun who landed a job playing the son of a Cuban bandleader, and ended up running a ballet company.
Along the way, he was the sage of Mayberry, the most visible member of a Christian rock band, almost joined the Von Trapp family, and after struggling with substance abuse and depression, became a dedicated witness to God. Lucille Ball called him Keith. Ron Howard called him Johnny Paul. TV producers called him Richard, and millions of little girls just wanted to call him. But for the past 60 years, succeeding generations in nearly every nation have called him “Little Ricky”.
Keith Thibodeaux was born December 1, 1950 in Lafayette Louisiana where he displayed a proclivity for drumming while still in diapers. By age three he won a talent contest which landed him a job playing drums with the Horace Heidt orchestra for $500 per week. Three years later he joined the cast of I Love Lucy, playing Ricky Ricardo, Jr., then stayed with the show until it wrapped in 1960. From 1962 to 1966 he played Opie’s pal Johnny Paul Jason on The Andy Griffith Show, then left Hollywood and started touring with David and the Giants, one of the country’s first Christian rock groups. He met and married Kathy Denton, an accomplished ballerina, in 1976, and ten years later they founded Ballet Magnificat, an acclaimed dance company based in Jackson, Mississippi, which tours all over the world. I first met Keith in 1979 when he stopped by my morning television show in Richmond, Virginia. We reconnected recently, and spoke at length about his life and career.
JL: Is it fair to say that drums and music have been the common thread to everything in your life?
KT: Yeah, but another important thread was my faith in God. Even when I was younger I had a sense of God. I asked my Dad, “Why do you think God picked me to be Little Ricky?” because it was such a famous television show. And Dad said, “Well, God has a purpose for you, Keith.”
JL: But how many kids auditioned for that role?
KT: I think there were about 200 until they got to me, and then they said, “We’ve found Little Ricky”.
JL: But with all due respect, God had a purpose for those other kids too, so what gave you the edge?
KT: There were a couple of factors. I looked like Desi Arnaz and I looked like their child. And also I played the drums, which was a gift that the other kids maybe didn’t possess.
JL: How did Lucy and Desi treat you on and off set?
KT: I was treated like part of their family. On set I conducted myself as part of the cast, but then off set I was a trusted member of their real family who could come over and play with their kids on weekends, so in that regard, I was pretty much treated like one of their own children.
JL: Does that close relationship perhaps explain why you never received screen credit, in other words, they wanted viewers to think that you WERE Little Ricky?
KT: Yeah, back in those days it was a big story when Lucy was pregnant with Desi Jr., and so they wrote that into the show. It was such a big deal that when they had the baby and Little Ricky was introduced on the show, and Desi Jr. was born at the same time, they just created a story within a story and that became the fabric of Little Ricky with ties to Desi Arnaz Jr.
JL: I know you played the drums on the show, but you also sang quite a bit. Was that your own voice or was it dubbed?
KT: Nope, that was all my voice. Even on Babaloo when I tried to hit a high note, it was me, for better or worse (laughs).
JL: All kids get upset when their parents fight, but I heard that the strife between Lucy and Desi got so bad that you started to stutter and forget your lines, so Lucy arranged for a counselor to visit with you.
KT: I would see the strife at their home and was sensitive to it, so I started to stutter as a result of that stress, and being in that environment with them. So they brought in a hypnotist to see if he could create some therapy for me. I remember he used the classic watch and chain hypnosis. It was old school and kind of odd.
JL: Did it work?
KT: Well I continued to do the show, so yeah, I guess it did (laughs).
JL: I also heard that you had a lot of female fans who had a crush on you.
KT: They did, and I actually did a tour across the eastern seaboard to promote the show and my own clothing line, called “Little Ricky’s Chips and Twigs” (laughs). I was too young to sign my autograph, so I would give out photos with my thumb print on it for the little girls.
JL: You also had an impact on a lot of fans who were aspiring drummers.
KT: Oh yeah. One of them was the drummer from REO Speedwagon who credits me as one of his influences from when he watched me on I Love Lucy
JL: I know you kept in touch with Lucy and the kids over the years, but tell me about the last time you saw her.
KT: It was about 1985. My wife and her sister wanted to meet Lucy, so we drove up to her house and the maid came to the door and said there was nobody home. We were getting ready to pull out of the driveway and all of a sudden Lucy comes running out of the house, waving her hands, yelling “Keith!” All the tour buses stopped when they saw her, and fans ran up to my car and wanted to know who I was. I said, “I’m Little Ricky”, and they went crazy. We went into the house and spent about an hour talking with Lucy. It also happened to be her birthday, so it was very special.
JL: What was it like playing Opie’s pal on The Andy Griffith Show?
KT: It was a very easy going show to be a part of. It was fun hanging out with Ron on the set, he was one of the nicest kids in Hollywood.
JL: And he sort of looked up to you, didn’t he?
KT: He did because I was about four years older, and he always asked the writers to write me a part so I could be on the show.
But Keith was on the show even when he WASN’T on the show, because Opie would frequently quote one of Johnny Paul’s philosophies to his Dad.
Opie: Johnny Paul says tar is real good for your teeth.
Andy: That’s just an old wives tale.
Opie: Johnny Paul ain’t married.
But Johnny Paul DID get married eventually. After hitting a bad patch following his departure from Hollywood, Keith re-dedicated his life to the Lord and started touring with David and the Giants, then, in 1976 married Kathy Denton, an accomplished ballerina. Their two worlds of music and dance came together professionally in 1986 when they founded Ballet Magnificat, a Jackson, Mississippi-based company that tours throughout the United States and abroad. Today Keith serves as executive director for the company, and still tours with the band. But his days as Little Ricky and Johnny Paul are always with him.
JL: Do you still watch re-runs of Lucy and Andy?
KT: I occasionally watch Andy, and a little less occasionally I watch Lucy, but I still enjoy them. I appreciate them more now than I did when I was on them.
JL: Do any of the same girls from 60 years ago still write you fan letters?
KT: I still get a steady stream of fan mail and people who want photos, but you’d be surprised at how many little kids come up to me. Their moms have shown them DVDs, and tell them, “That’s Little Ricky”. And the kids look at this old man and go, “Really?” (laughs).
And with new fans getting born every day, I asked Keith what he meant when he once commented that HE had been born three times himself.
KT: Well I was born into the world when my mother had me. And then the Little Ricky character was born, and then I was born again in Jesus.
Having experienced multiple births, and taken on multiple personas, Keith Thibodeaux will always be part of the fabric of American pop culture. Episodes of Lucy and Andy are readily available on DVD and accessible via youtube. Meanwhile, CD’s of David and the Giants, and his autobiography, Life After Lucy can still be purchased from Amazon. Not a bad legacy for a little drummer boy from the Bayou, and the most famous philosopher in the history of Mayberry.





And then there was the formal interview I did with him to promote his Hatfields and McCoys mini-series. For Billy it was a bittersweet experience because mid-way through filming in Romania, he was called back home to attend his father’s funeral. He was back on a plane the next day to continue working. Seems like Billy was always going somewhere or coming back from somewhere. His emails read like a travel log: “I’m on my way to Toronto”, “Jim, I’m in London”, “We just wrapped in Romania”. He was a perpetual motion machine when it came to work.























Posted April 25, 2017 By Triad TodayRep. Walker Speaks Out on Triad Today
Politics has become a dirty business. Campaigns are laced with mudslinging, and once in office, candidates spend most of their time harvesting money and votes for the next election. Mark Walker has proven to be a refreshing exception to the rule. A former minister from Greensboro, and now second-term Congressman for the 6th district, Walker has never run a negative ad, never spoken an unkind word about an opponent, and has never compromised his principals in order to stay in office. And, while many of his colleagues in Washington are avoiding town hall meetings, Mark meets regularly with constituents, and listens to their concerns. Moreover, his thirst for knowledge extends far beyond the borders of his district. An experienced missionary from his days as a minister, Walker now travels to global hotspots to observe first-hand, the kinds of human suffering and political tensions which can have a direct effect on American foreign policy. His dedication to the job is a big reason why Mark was recently elected to chair the powerful Republican Study Committee, and though he now enjoys direct access to the White House, Walker is anything but a yes man for the party or the president. Mark has appeared on my Triad Today television program numerous times, and last week he stopped by the studio during a break from Congress, to discuss a wide range of issues. Here are some highlights from our conversation.
JL: A new poll shows that 6 out of 10 Americans are fearful of a conflict with North Korea. Are their fears justified?
MW: I believe that some of that fear is legitimate. Just last year I was there at the DMZ, and it’s interesting as you look across the border and go right up to it, the posture of the North Korean soldiers each day is basically a stare-down, so it’s very tense. And you have to understand that we have Americans as well as American interests literally 20 kilometers away in Seoul, so there are some concerns when you’re dealing with somebody who is so irrational as Kim Jong Un.
JL: The President bombed a Syrian airfield recently in retaliation for Assad dropping deadly gas on innocent women, children, and babies. Most people agree it was the right action for us to take, but should the President have first sought the permission of Congress?
MW: I’m OK with the way he handled it. I felt like there was an immediate response that was needed. You can draw a direct line from that to our war against ISIS, and the President has promised to take them out. Having spent some time over there in refugee camps, I can tell you that these people have been begging for help for years. So I think it was legitimate to send a message that we’re watching what’s going on.
JL: But as a result of that bombing, tensions between the United States and Russia have increased. Are you concerned that we can’t do whatever we need to do to depose Assad because of what Russia might do?
MW: I think we always have to be concerned with Russia because what they say versus what they do, sometimes is not very congruent. I think we need to continue to monitor Russia’s actions, because they create an additional dynamic between them and Syria.
JL: The Guardian recently reported that there is “concrete evidence” that there was collusion between someone in the Trump campaign and the Russians in trying to affect the outcome of our 2016 election. Are you buying that?
MW: I don’t know if I’m buying the collusion, but do I believe that contact was made successfully? Potentially so. I’m confident that Mike Conaway and my friend Trey Gowdy are going to look at it very thoroughly from the House side, and that Senator Richard Burr will do a good job investigating the process on the Senate side.
JL: Let’s talk about healthcare reform. You and I spoke several times during the negotiations over AHCA, and I expressed concerns about what the Republican package was going to do to seniors, specifically imposing a rate hike in premiums five times greater for older folks than those for younger folks. Ultimately the package didn’t pass, so are we going to get some kind of healthcare reform in this calendar year?
MW: I believe that we are. And let me throw out a quick compliment. You were the first person who contacted me specifically with concerns about that 50 to 64 age demographic. We went back and looked at that, and there were some additional tax credits added for that particular age group, so I think we’re doing a lot better there. I’m hoping that we’ll get together this spring, but we’ve got some issues with the Freedom Caucus wanting to take away coverage for pre-existing conditions. The President and I feel that is a bit of an overreach at this point, but I’m hoping that we can repeal these trillion dollars worth of Obamacare taxes, and take out all of the mandates from individuals as well as employers. This is a huge thing, and the final thing it does is, it reforms Medicaid for the first time in 52 years, something we’ve been needing to do for awhile.
JL: You and I have always liked town hall meetings, but recently many of them have really gotten out of hand, and have been full of vitriol. I know that some of it is orchestrated by one political party or another. Regardless, I am reminded of what Captain Call said in Lonesome Dove, “I hate rude behavior in a man., I won’t tolerate it.” A lot of these folks in town halls now are just plain rude. What’s your take?
MW: My job is to remember that I don’t just represent Republicans or conservatives. I also represent Democrats, Libertarians, and Independents. So whatever their party may be, I love to have dialogue. I love to talk about the issues. I want to have a chance to share my beliefs, and then listen to those who may have an opposing view. But if you’re not able to even share, it makes it very difficult in these town hall formats.
JL: Are you going to do less town halls because of the increasing vitriol?
MW: We did a couple of them this year already, and we’re looking at ways to add some additional ones next month.
JL: Well, if it will make you feel more comfortable, I’ll be happy to interrupt everything you say for the rest of this interview.
MW: [laughs] It’ll be good practice.
JL: Are we going to get a tax reform bill this year?
MW: I think so. We are concerned about the delay in passing the AHCA. The reason why that has slowed down the tax reform is because there are a trillion dollars worth of Obamacare taxes that need to factor into this tax reform. Rep. Kevin Brady, the Ways and Means chairman, has promised that he will get it in this year. As of last week, I’m hearing August.
JL: But many Democrats say that unless Trump releases his tax returns, they won’t support any kind of tax reform. Isn’t that sort of cutting off their noses to spite their faces?
MW: It can be, and we’re asked about that a lot. As Congressmen, we have to reveal our taxes, so my personal opinion is I would prefer that he release his returns. However, it’s not illegal if he chooses not to do so, and it shouldn’t prevent us from passing legislation that benefits the American people.
JL: The President just signed an Executive Order, asking companies to “Hire American and Buy American”, yet his and Ivanka’s products are made mostly overseas. Does the hypocrisy of that bother you at all?
MW: It does a little bit. I get it, though. Our corporate tax rate is one of the highest in the world, and it’s driven a lot of manufacturing jobs overseas, But if we’re bringing the corporate tax rate down 15 to 20%, then I want to make sure they’re leading by example, and bringing those products back to America.
JL: Are you concerned that the President’s repeal of many EPA regulations will leave our air and water unprotected?
MW: Not at this point. When you talk about draining the swamp, I think you have to start with some of these federal agencies, like the EPA. Our farmers have been damaged by these regulations, like when a puddle is considered a lake. We want to make sure that kind of overreach is pushed back.
JL:You have indicated strong support for Historically Black Colleges and Universities. Exactly how do you intend to support their mission?
MW: We’re already starting to support it, by becoming the first Congressional office to offer paid internships for HBCU students, who otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford to come and live in Washington for four to eight weeks. We also brought in 88 HBCU chancellors, and one of the things that came out of that meeting was a proposal to have year-round Pell grants, which, for many students, will provide a quicker opportunity to reach graduation. For me it’s personal because my wife did her undergraduate and graduate work at Winston-Salem State University. Since then she’s gone on to manage a Level I trauma unit, so it’s a great education, and we want to support it.
JL: Mr. Trump wants to allow churches to support political candidates. Are you OK with that?
MW: It depends on the definition. I think the focus of his plan is to roll back the Johnson amendment, where the senior pastor can’t talk about anything political. However, there are issues that sometimes cross over, like pro-life, so I believe the pastor should have an opportunity to speak. But if it gets to the point where entire churches are endorsing candidates, then that is a problem.
Upon his return to Washington later this week, Rep. Walker, now head of the 155-member RSC, will be faced with reforming healthcare and tax codes, and the prospect of a government shutdown if upcoming budget negotiations should fail. They are just several of the many challenges he must deal with on our behalf, and thus far, Walker has proven that he’s up for the challenge.